has spending cuts on the table. it's the rate of increase, even paul ryan's was going to grow spending at 3% or so a year. >> what would you cut, wilbur? >> hmm? >> what would you not slow but cut? >> you have to deal with medical, for example, talking about the reform in health care is a joke if you don't deal with medical malpractice. there's been no talk about that at all on either side of the aisle. that's a joke that leads to overtesting, too expensive insurance policies. malpractice is not inherent in providing universal health care. >> a couple of points. first of all, wilbur raised the bar by the way, if you're talk being not just slowing the rate of growth of spending but cutting spending that makes the solution a lot harder. i'm not saying you're wrong. i happen to disagree with you. >> i didn't say we should cut actual spending. i said that the verbiage about it is wrong because we're not cutting spend willing. we' we'readjusting the rate of growth. >> we haven't talked about the fact that everybody up there in washington agrees with 98% of the tax policy that should reset w
